Know Yer Nuts! Big Valley Creation Science Museum
Posted on August 16, 2009 at 9:27 pm by Dr. Jim
WELL, ITS THAT TIME AGAIN!
TIME FOR THINGS THAT
DRIVE DR. JIM NUTS
The little museum that couldn’t in the Big Valley that shouldn’t of which one visitor from Montana says:
“I spent more time in this museum than I did in the Smithsonian”
I posted some of my Royal Tyrrell Museum photos a few days ago, and promised to post some of the pics I took at the BVCS museum that is only a short drive away. Well, here they are.
Last August, I went to the RTM and BVCSM along with my good friends Mary, Natasha and Annabree and we had a great time. Some of us didn’t want to give the BVCSM any money but heck, it was only $5.00 and given all the laughs we got out of it, I think it was money well wasted.
Big Valley is pretty prairie village and have a nicely done website. Its a nice place and if you are touring Alberta, don’t avoid it just because of the creationists!
Lots of grain elevators like this used to dot the prairies. They are rapidly disappearing as more grain farmers are taking the stairs for the exercise.
St. Edmonds is a pretty blue church on the hill overlooking the town. I did find out which denomination, but I can’t remember (Anglican, I think). Notice the old Union Jack.
The nicest way to get to Big Valley is on the train, but we drove.
The Alberta Prairie Railway runs from Stettler to Big Valley. The train arrived when we were there, but I didn’t a good picture of it. This was the best I could do. Alas. It gets bigger (not better) if you click it.
So, Lets go to the Museum!
A Soffitsaurus? (Velocirafter?)
I was surprised at how nice some of the dinosaur models were. No idea what this is supposed to be. I think it would regard me as lunch.
I had something like that living in the gunk in the sink with my dirty dishes once. I moved.
NOW, THE STUFF YOU’VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR!
It is all the standard stuff that has been refuted a thousand times.
One of the things that figures prominently in the BVCSM is “evidence” for recent dinosaurs.
I wasn’t sure how many pics I could fit in my camera, so I snapped shots of the text but not the displays since similar images are available online. I wanted to preserve the claims made in all of their scientific glory.
Where to begin? Let’s go with the Cambodian “Stegosaurus”
Pinched this photo from here.
Dinosaurs: only 800 years ago. If that was the case why the heck didn’t the Khymer people make LOTS of images of them, instead of only one! Gee, they covered their temples with pictures and only one stegosaurus?Notice the last line in the text above, hitting home the idea that Darwin abandoned the book of “Truth”. The problem is that the Bible doesn’t refer to dinosaurs at all. Anyone who tells you different is simply reading into it what they want to find.
NEXT!
Apparently some native americans saw a pterosaur and were pterrified into panic-stricken fit of petrogyphing. Here is what the museum says (again, you can zoom in, or swoop in, as the case may be).
Ok, so Darwin only had a theology degree. In those days, fields like biology paleontology and so forth were not the intensely specialized disciplines that they are now. That Darwin did not have a science degree would not have raised many eyebrows. He certainly took his place in the company of scientists, however, and was hardly a marginalized voice. No, he paid his educational dues.
So, back to pterosaurs. This appears to be the same picture as the museum has. The site I found it on has the same book quoted.
Now, according to our museum text, this petroglyph shows a quetzalcoatlus or something similar. It is easy to see how one might make that mistake. It is all a matter of perspective. Of course, a quetzalcoatlus looks nothing like that. Here is a quetzalcoatlus (on the left).
Notice that it more closely resembles an ugly ass giraffe with a big nose wearing a crumpled artiste’s beret. What the hell is on that rock? Who knows.
Here is another example of the same kind of thing.
The Katchina Bridge petroglyphs.
OK, I won’t bother trying to find a picture of this picture on the bridge, but get a load of this sentence, spanning the two columns:
It is for this reason (the existence of a patina on the image) that the authenticity of this petroglyph is not questioned by the evolutionary experts on rock art.
Now, I don’t know if the claim about the patina is true or not, but even if it is Jumpin’ Jebus B. Gobley, Petrolman! Since when is the study of rock art a part of evolutionary science? So what if the patina is there and the freakin’ picture is ancient? Why trust a sign that that displays no conception of the boundaries of evolutionary science?
And more…
Here’s a photo of the “dinosaur” I nicked from badarchaeology.com Here is their explanation of it
For a start, the picture of the pictograph says a great deal. Firstly, it is reproduced without context; we are not shown other figures from the same rock-face or others from the canyon, against which it might be possible to evaluate it. Is the picture reproduced the right way up? Even allowing that it is, what does it show? There is an outline that somewhat resembles a Tyrannosaurus, but there are problems with the tail, the length of the neck and the lack of front legs. The idea that Tyrannosaurs dragged their tails along the ground may have been current in the 1920s, but it has not been believed for many years now, so if the pictogram really does show a giant meat-eating dinosaur, we need to explain why it is depicted in an incorrect position. A more economical hypothesis is that the pictogram shows something else that bears a slight resemblance to the way Tyrannosaurs were once thought to have looked. It is certainly not evidence that the artist had seen a living Tyrannosaur.
And here is the Big Valley argument from submarines (eek!).
Stay tuned, it’s a good one.
Sorry about the lousy picture quality. It might be readable if you expand the picture. The gist of it goes like this. Ammonite lives deep in the sea where the water pressure is very high. The shell that contains “buoyancy chambers” is rounded which allows it to withstand the pressure. This is the same way submarines can dive deeply. Submarines are designed. So too were ammonites.
Clearly, if ammonites were not busying themselves millions of years ago evolving a deep sea capable shell, they would not have gotten too far evolving a deep sea lifestyle, now would they? And since when does evolution rule out “round?”. That submarine designers discovered that round things take pressure better than flat sides things is completely besides the point.
And now, DNA is explained (away?)
This is really hard to read unless it is expanded to its full size. Here is the gist of it.
1. The claimed 98.4% match between human and chimpanzee DNA is the product of ignoring large portions of the genome of both species that did not match.
2. Chimp DNA is around 10% longer than human DNA
3. Chimp Chromosomes have a “B2″ sequence at the end, unlike humans
4. Similarities are explainable by a designer employing similar patters in two bits of work.
5. Error correction mechanisms within DNA prevent (at least a lot of) fatal mistakes in replication, and, therefore, something turning into a different species.
6. DNA errors are disorders, not “increases in complexity” and increased “information”.
7. Evolutionists cannot explain increases in DNA complexity.
8. Protiens and their interactions are too complex to have evolved and the whole system is needed for any part of it work.
My companion Annabree knows a lot more about DNA than I or the people who put this display together do, so lets not quibble. But
One would have thought that if the accepted methodology into research about DNA was as badly corrupted as indicated here, scientific discussion of the great similarity between human / chimpanzee DNA would not have seen the light of day. Are all of these scientists dumb or in cahoots? What we have here is not really an argument but a conspiracy theory. And do scientists who study DNA use terms like “complexity” and “information” in the same way creationists do?
Relationships ALWAYS increase in
complexity when you add a chimp.
Anyway, when we visited last year, the guy who ran the place was talking to another fellow about chimp DNA and they agreed that it was nothing similar to human DNA (how do they know that?). One guy said “I’ve never seen a blue eyed ape”. I just about peaked out from around the corner and said “Now you have!” But I didn’t.
Now, sometimes stalactites and stalagmites grow fast in man made caves. The fastest growing ones are those most like the natural growing ones. Therefore, all dating of caves by measuring these things is necessarily false. Just makes sense, doesn’t it?
The Fossil sequence is wrong. Of course, that the peer reviewed science literature suppresses any notice of this only shows the scale of the conspiracy. They are probably in cahoots with people running Area 51, the communists who fluoridated our water, and folks who faked the moon landings.
There were lots of other things, like near instantly fossilized boots, claims that, since some species seem not to have evolved at all over millions of years, nothing ever evolved. All of it has been refuted again and again.
“Evolution doesn’t happen” we are told because modern Brittle Stars look like Brittle Stars from ages ago.
Yeah, right, the Theory of Evolution says that everything must evolve at exactly the same rate. It’s right there on page 37.
And, of course, the ONLY flood that could have caused fossilization is Noah’s flood. Of course, who would doubt that?
But this last thing really stand out:
EVIDENCE FROM GENEALOGY
YUP, Old Henry the Sixth, whose power comes from the church had some church trained scribes trace his lineage and they got it all the way back to Adam proves the Bible is right. Yeah, right.
Well, anyway, dear readers, there it is, the Big Valley Creation Museum. Doesn’t it make you want to give up your real education?
Kind makes me wish I had a chance to go to the Smithsonian.
Don’t it just drive you NUTS?
Don’t forget to visit my related posts, Know Yer Nuts 1, and some rational comments made by an unhappy customer. I turned his comment to KYN1 into a separate post.
August 16, 2009 at 10:41 pm
The exhibits at BVCSM represent a fascinating example of delusion. The conclusions drawn from obscure and ill-defined coincidences are obviously illogical to the outside observer, but are twisted within the deranged minds of the Christian to make perfect sense to them. It’s not stupidity, but delusion, an environmentally-induced (from parents, friends and society) mental illness. This site is particularly dangerous for the young and/or gullible (read: theists), who are still impressionable and have not necessarily learned to reliably differentiate between reality and fantasy.
August 16, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Matt, that sounds like fear, what are you so afraid of, people thinking for there self.
August 16, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Fear? Seriously, you might want to look in the mirror, for fear of death, fear of punishment and fear of losing the comfort of an omnipresent god represent key factors in continued delusion amongst the Christian masses. Just think. You and all others like you, are devoting your life and career to something that doesn’t even exist. To top it off, you want others to do the same. This is both sad and pathetic.
July 17, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Matt….you have a Christian name dummy
August 17, 2009 at 12:02 am
Mr. “ETLAU”,
Do you fear identifying your self with a real name?
And what is so fearful about your interpretation of the Bible being wrong that you cling to any specious argument to bolster your belief that your reading of it is right?
Do you really think your salvation hangs on the belief in a 6000 year old earth? Why aren’t these ideas ever discussed in a comprehensive way in the New Testament if they are so important to the faith? You should do some reading on the history of Christianity, you will find that literalism is not the normative mode of biblical interpretation for much of Christian history. You can rage at the “Liberals” all you want, but they have a better handle on the Bible than you.
July 17, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Dr. Jim. You are rambling again. Think of a plain reading of the text as if you are reading it on a deserted island with a hebrew scholar. You are dead wrong Jimbo.
August 16, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Gee Jimbo, You forgot the Icons of evolution display or R.A.T.E. Experiment or the Geological Colum display or Noah’s Ark or the Out Place Artifacts display or the Why Dinosaurs Can’t Be The Ancestors of Birds display. Gee I wonder why! Gee Jimbo we used the information from many evolutionary scientist are they wrong also. I can tell your really smart by the hats you wear. I think they’re couple of sizes to small. You wouldn’t even stand a chance against Mr. Nelson. Your all Gab and no Jab! atheism is a bankrupt faith and you know it! Jimbo why do we have a caneo filled with animals on our twenty dollar bill? Thanks again Jimbo.
August 17, 2009 at 12:35 pm
What? The R.A.T.E. project that indicated that if things were to be interpreted as being as young as 10,000 or 6,000 years, that radioactive decay would have to have been much, much faster in the past? The geological column that IS fully represented on some sites in the world and merely properly overlaps everywhere else? Is the dinos-can’t-be-ancestors the one fawning over the one ornithologist (Feducci) that insists birds are derived from a crocodilomorph, despite evidence to the contrary?
The bankrupt faith is the one that thinks it has to lie about science to save peoples’ souls.
The $20 canoe filled with animals reference is especially funny since that canoe is from the Haida Gwaii, filled with mythological Haida figures and has not a jot to do with Genesis.
August 16, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Its was all the pictures I could find.
I do have some more from the Royal Tyrrell, if you want to see a real museum!
Why doesn’t your “museum” have displays with the refutations of all your claims. Wouldn’t that be the honest thing to do, and let people think for themselves? Teach the controversy, isn’t that the battle cry to get creationism and its sockpuppet I.D. into the schools?
And since creationism is essentially religion, I wonder why your “museum” doesn’t have displays about the various non-literal Christian interpretations of Genesis and the rest of the Bible. Why are you hiding your own tradition?
July 17, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Because it is a creation science museum Jimmy. By your reasoning evolutionary props would teach alternative views….are YOU nuts Jimmy?
August 17, 2009 at 1:01 am
Glad to see you got out of your back yard this summer Jim.
You know the old saying “If you can’t dazzle them with brillance, baffle them with male bovine excrement”. I loved the line “It is for this reason (the existence of a patina on the image) that the authenticity of this petroglyph is not questioned by the evolutionary experts on rock art.” It sounds like a valid scientific statement, except for some (gasp) facts.
A patina is just a weathering/chemical reaction. Just like you see on bronze statues and really old, pure copper pennies, one that is perfectly reasonable and expected in some situations. No evolutionary expert is going to doubt or question the sun will rise in the morning either.
“DNA by itself is useless”??? Tell that to all the forensics labs out there and everyone involved in paternity lawsuits. Very good at determining how closely related human organisms are!
Given the Tudors’ fine working realtionship with the independent church officicals, the scribes were under no pressure and were complely unbiased in their research. Is it true in the 15th cent. you could see the Tower of London from Lambeth Palace? Who processed Adam’s birth registeration and where the heck was it filed, anyway?
August 17, 2009 at 5:09 pm
i hate to bring a slice of reality to this otherwise scintillating debate- but– jimbo just doesn’t work for you. jimmy doesn’t either.
August 17, 2009 at 5:22 pm
No. You’re right. And for you?
August 18, 2009 at 6:34 am
Jimbo, Are you trying to show us that evolution can that place, that a CHICKEN can evolve horns. Just because you have a Ph.D. doesn’t make you right, but it MAY give you an advantage. In the real world you have to prove yourself. He who can, DOES and he who can’t, TEACHES. Just admit it Jimbo you know your WRONG and so do your colleagues. At least you and your colleagues are smart enough not to DEBATE. Hey I don’t blame you and your colleagues. If I BELIEVED in evolution and couldn’t prove it. I sure wouldn’t want to be shown up by some YOUNG EARTH CREATIONIST CHRISTIAN. Save your breath Jimbo, I’ve heard all your REHASHED EXCUSES. Science keeps proving you WRONG. That’s why you evolutionary atheists are so replused by the BIG VALLEY CREATION SCIENCE MUSEUM. Isn’t Science Great!
August 18, 2009 at 10:50 am
Wow, ETLAU, I didn’t think anyone could make the Illuminati and Reptilian conspiracists look sane and spittle-free, but you MANAGED it in HARDLY a PARAGRAPH.
July 17, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Ya evolutionary props are afraid ( correctly so) that they have bought the big lie…..and they have been suckered.
August 18, 2009 at 12:45 pm
“Isn’t Science Great!”
Yes it is. It has given use antibiotics, antiseptic surgery, communication, increased food production and storage capability, among other advances.
“Just because you have a Ph.D. doesn’t make you right, but it MAY give you an advantage.”
Yes, education and a rational mind usually do.
“Science keeps proving you WRONG.”
Yes it does, but you’re too brainwashed to notice. Please notice the correct useage of the apostrophe and the contaction.
“Save your breath Jimbo, I’ve heard all your REHASHED EXCUSES.”
When you come up some original ‘evidence’ for creation, we will have some appropriate evidence for evolution.
“He who can, DOES and he who can’t, TEACHES.”
Man that really pisses me off. If you seriously think that, try getting a job as a teacher. Perhaps a high school physics, chemistry, calculus, honours English, French, or a physical education class may prove you wrong. To be a teacher requires a minimum of a university degree, not just in educational theory, but in the subject matter you hope to build a career around. It is interesting to note that the educational requirements to become a teacher in Alberta are much higher that the requirements to became Minister of Education or even the Premier of the province.
“At least you and your colleagues are smart enough not to DEBATE.”
Well, there are certain characteristics that make a debate, insults and illogically formed statements are not on the list.
August 18, 2009 at 12:55 pm
“Jimbo, Are you trying to show us that evolution can that place, that a CHICKEN can evolve horns.” I have absolutely no idea what is being said here. Of course, when people post stuff to internet sites they are not very careful with spelling, syntax, grammar etc. But, for Pete’s sake, do try to be understandable!
“In the real world you have to prove yourself. He who can, DOES and he who can’t, TEACHES. ” Well, that just shows how little you know about teaching (at any level) and academics. Getting a PhD is not about just teaching but researching. It is “doing”.
And what is your “museum” “doing”? Have you done any research other than read Answers in Genesis propaganda? Have you excavated any fossils, seriously studied the various methodologies for dating geological strata, OR EVEN READ ANY SERIOUS MATERIAL ON EVOLUTIONARY THEORY?
Those who know do or teach. Those who do not know run creationist “museums”.
August 22, 2009 at 4:00 pm
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September 8, 2009 at 6:26 am
I think lines like “I can tell your really smart by the hats you wear. I think they’re couple of sizes to small.” reveal the Director, by his spelling. Lurkasaurus? Careful of the spelling on the last bits.
They have some many great claims, such as “DNA by itself is useless.” Amazing! Also, we have discovered that sucrose by itself is useless, wind by itself is useless, money by itself is useless, wire by itself is useless, hair by itself is useless … the research continues.
And the Cambodian carving – really, wow. Millions of people know what dinosaurs look like, right down to particular species (not the mix shown). So does this mean dinosaurs live now, in 2009? How did they find out? Duh. Running across fossils has been exciting for a long, long time.
September 8, 2009 at 6:28 am
“Are you trying to show us that evolution can that place, that a CHICKEN can evolve horns.”
No, actually you have it backwards, chicken ancestors lost their horns before chickens came along. This is what happens when a creationist pages through an evolutionary biology text from back to front.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that a creationist has ever opened a biology test.
September 8, 2009 at 6:30 am
ALSO all the CAPITALS and VARIOUS NAMECALLING sort of GIVES away WHO is DOING the WRITING.
Sorry, I mean RITING.
October 3, 2009 at 8:59 am
Our good friend Harry is also saying that the Iranians and Israel will serve us to the end of the world, where God will then proceed to roll up the Universal sidewalk and close down shop. Did he bother to consider that the Inuit will still be roaming the Arctic, completely unaware of this apparent human calamity going on in the rest of the world? God can’t roll up the sidewalks if humans are still running around, can He? So since a ‘no end’ scenerio can’t be in the cards like Harry claims it will, then why exactly would humanity have any part in being present for the beginning? Too much for small minds to consider, I guess.
October 3, 2009 at 9:18 am
The guy is one strange duck, to be sure. He’s now haranguing a friend of mine whose email he sought out after a few comments here. My buddy got 7 emails in an hour or so the other day. I think Harry works on the rigs or something and when he gets back he gets drunk and “scientific”, and starts flame wars. He really needs help, I think.
July 17, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Stop rambling Jim
November 12, 2009 at 3:32 pm
“Know Yer Nuts! Big Valley Creation Science Museum
August 16, 2009 — Dr. Jim”
Great article, had me laughing for quite a while there.
And you saved me some money too, I was curious to see what was on the inside of that museum, now I know.
It’s the same B.S. I see being served up on any number of news and science forums and blogs. What really baffles me is how they can have an argument thoroughly refuted, and still come back spouting the same nonsense.
Please do yourselves a favour, put that bible back on the bookshelf, it is of no value to you when trying to understand how our universe works.
No, science doesn’t have all the answers, but I’d sooner put my money on the team that recognizes that fact, then searches on, than the one that pretends they do and stubbornly clings to udated ideas.
November 12, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Don’t forget the one in Bow Valley, too! I’ve not been but I have another Know Yer Nuts about it based on their website (and another K. Y. N. coming up next week (on a WInnipeg outfit).
November 13, 2009 at 6:30 am
I sure hope you mean Bow Island, Bow Valley would be a little too close for comfort.
I had no idea they had one there, of course you never know who has an STD either until it’s too late.
I love the use of the word “Truth” in their ministry, they must have some strange aversion to using the word “Fact”.
November 13, 2009 at 9:53 am
Oh shit yeah, sorry about that. It was Bow Island.
August 6, 2010 at 3:54 pm
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October 25, 2010 at 6:32 pm
ou say having a Ph.D doesn’t make you right? yet all creation videos and DVDs bang on about their “scientists” having a Ph.D. but lets be honest it may as well be a crayon drawing of jesus riding a T-rex its as far as their education has gone. all so the bible isn’t fact its purely based on the opinions of men 2000 years ago. and isn’t taken as a historical evidence.
for science and reason, peace and freedom.
R00bix
July 17, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Right on….good logic Roobix…..sying you have a Phd doesn’t make you right….now apply that to evolution.
July 20, 2011 at 3:18 am
If only the idiotic skurdal would apply that same concept to the likes of his beloved Sarfarti. Seems he missed the closing of the Facebook site and is now ranting his delusions elsewhere.
July 17, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Dr. JIm. I do not find your examination of the Big Valley Creation museum very compelling. You come off more like someone who wants to feel superior. You come off like someone who is trying to justify their evolutionary education….you know like you really , really believe in evolution and you got suckered. It must be painfull to realize that your evolutionary superiority complex has made you out to be ape-like in your thinking…..oops…I meant chemical reactions in your brain….not ‘thinking’ as such in the way a poet may consider how a human ‘thinks’.
July 18, 2011 at 9:48 am
Paul, SEVEN comments in 9 minutes in a post that’s almost two years old. And you think I have problems?